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Howard Marks hosts and writes The Memo by Howard Marks and writes Moat Mind . They have also been a guest on Bloomberg Surveillance (9 times) , Motley Fool Hidden Gems Investing (8 times) , The Investor's Podcast (We Study Billionaires) - The Investor’s Podcast Network (6 times) , Masters in Business (4 times) , The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch (3 times) , Prof G Markets (2 times) , The Exchange (2 times) , Capital Allocators – Inside the Institutional Investment Industry (2 times) , Prof G Media (2 times) , Closing Bell (2 times) , Bloomberg Intelligence (2 times) , Exchanges (2 times) , 3 Takeaways™ (2 times) , My First Million (2 times) , Wall Street Week , Jill on Money with Jill Schlesinger , The Intrinsic Value Podcast - The Investor’s Podcast Network , Odd Lots , Squawk Box Europe Express , Squawk Pod , Enterprising Investor , The Knowledge Project (Shane Parrish) , The Master Investor Podcast with Wilfred Frost , Generating Alpha Podcast , Acquired , TBPN , The Meb Faber Show - Better Investing , Value Investing with Legends , Squawk on the Street and Invest Like the Best (Patrick O'Shaughnessy) .

Recently: “A Layman Thinks About AI” on The Memo by Howard Marks (November 2026); “Fed Rate Debate and AI Sell-Off at the Shadow Fed Conference 10/30/26” on The Exchange (October 2026); “Bonds Are Going Haywire Again — Howard Marks Explains Why” on Prof G Markets (September 2026); “Bonds Are Going Haywire Again — Howard Marks Explains Why” on Prof G Media (September 2026); “Shall We Repeal the Laws of Economics – Part III” on The Memo by Howard Marks (September 2026); “Howard Marks: how I make money while you worry about a market crash” on My First Million (July 2026).

What They Said

“A lot of people said to me this summer, my God, 40 trillion, that's a lot of money for the national debt. Nobody ever said to me, oh my God, 39 trillion is a lot, or 37 trillion is a lot… I've had more questions about the national debt since it turned 40 than I did when it was 39.” — Howard Marks, Prof G Markets

Ed Elson asked why investor anxiety about US fiscal behaviour seemed to flip this summer when the underlying trend has been the same for years. Marks, who has been complaining about it for decades, credits the roundness of the number and cognitive dissonance finally giving way. His summary: you don't need a very good reason for things to happen.

Prof G Markets · 2026-09-24 Permalink → Listen →
Prof G Markets Around 12:35 into the episode
Howard Marks

…like that, you have to face the possibility that your fundamental company level possibilities get worse. It's not an easy decision. And given that the U.S. continues to be the, I think, the best functioning developed world economy, if you were going to do any, I wouldn't do very much. Part

Ed Elson

…is going to come in two years or if it's going to come in 20 years. I'm not sure if there's any way to know that, but that seems to be a pretty significant point for investors to grapple with. Do you land anywhere on that spectrum? Do you have any thoughts on how to even address that question?

Howard Marks

…you say, well, I guess that's the way it is. Maybe that was reached. And, you know, a lot of people said to me this summer, my God, 40 trillion, that's a lot of money for the national debt. Nobody ever said to me, oh, my God, 39 trillion is a lot, or 37 trillion is a lot. Now, maybe it's the roundness of the number 40 or the fact that you changed that first digit. But, you know, I do think that I've had more questions about the national debt since it turned 40 than I did when it was 39.

Ed Elson

It seems as good a reason as any to care about it. Exactly.

Howard Marks

Well, that's the point. The point, you don't need a very good reason for things to happen.

Ed Elson

Yes. Just before we let you go here, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson says that the yields do not reflect the fundamentals of the U.S. economy. He says that basically the bond markets are wrong, or maybe that they're lying. They've got something. Off about what's happening in America. What do you…

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